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    Great performance, but value compromised by price, August 5, 2009
    By WDH

    UPDATE AS OF 8/18/09: This player is definitely growing on me. The Audio Quality from the Burr Browns is nothing short of top-notch. Powered off Eject times dropped by nearly 5 seconds to a reasonable 13 seconds w/ FW update done easily over net. My recommendation is to use NR setting of 3 for DVDs (it is not available on BDs thankfully). I would say DVD upconversion is identical to the Oppo 99% of the time in realworld use with a reasonable sized display - 50" in my case. YMMV. Really like this player, but I stand by my comments re pricing - needs to be $450 at a maximum to compete.

    Note to my rating of 4/5 stars: this is highly contingent on current pricing at $535. If pricing were to dip to $425, my rating would go to 5 stars. With the Oppo at $500, the value proposition is not there with the 2010. It needs to be priced slightly under the oppo unless you are a denon nut beyond reason. The Pioneer 320 is the next closest competitor and its price has dipped below $300. The Denon needs to occupy a space between the two.

    Major hdmi handshake issue with my 8G Kuro out of the box. Make sure you turnoff the HDMI control from the player or you will have HDMI gremlins galore going in and our of menus and what not. I am still getting HDMI gremlins upon power off and power on.

    Menus are largely identical to 1800 and 2500; they are sparse but easy to follow. I was hoping for a bit more color and refinement, but they work. The 2010 does allow five memory settings for PQ adjustment, but does not offer any canned settings like the Pioneer 320 and 51.

    Operational speed and responsiveness have largely improved from the 2500, but i would not categorize it as quick. Powered off eject time is consistently 17 (w. fw 13s) seconds. Load times are mid-pack to slow and by no means fast.

    For example:
    Dark Knight: to anti-piracy page
    JVC: 17 seconds
    Oppo: 16 seconds
    Pio 320: 42 seconds
    Pio 51: 45 seconds
    Denon 1800: 42 seconds
    Denon 2500: 48 seconds
    Denon 2010: 36 seconds

    Heavy Java discs showed a bigger improvement, shaving nearly 20 seconds off the POTC1 from the 2500.

    Build quality is more compact, but it is heavy and substantial. I would compare it to the Oppo without hesitation. The oppo weighs 11lbs and the 2010 weighs 10.6lbs. The Oppo is a hair taller and has a more imposing stance in a rack. I would give the nod to the Denon in regard to looks, although I prefer the 2500 to both.

    In respects of my initial testing, the abt chip does not recognize film cadences and deinterlace as well as the Oppo in synthetic tests. Its performance is good, but not as quick or accurate as the Oppo or for that matter the JVC XV-BP1. It does an admirable job with video based content. Color accuracy was very good and did not push red like the denon 1800.

    BD performance at 1080P 24fps was excellent and identical to the 2500/1800/Oppo. I am a believer that BD at 1080P 24fps is largely identical with normal viewing distances/display sizes (i am using a 50" kuro).

    SD Upscaling on the little material is definitely better than the 2500 and 1800. I have not been able to put my finger on it, but I think it might be enhancing the contrast to give the image more pop. Colors are pretty neutral and accurate. The image is very similar to the Oppo, but not quite as good. I am reasonably impressed with its upscaling ability. More time will give me a better feel for it, but first impressions are positive.

    My early gripes are that Denon did not improve speed significantly; I think the higher end CEs like pioneer, denon and others are struggling to make the gains that the koreans have. Interestingly, Samsung only made the gains when they dropped the real benefit of their players -the reon chip.

    That said, Audio Quality and Picture Quality are excellent in this attractive package.

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    Sitat Opprinnelig postet av AndyMcnebb
    Hva med 4010 ? Noen som vet når den kommer til Norge ? Skal vistnok støtte SACD. Prisen blir vel rundt 2000$, noe jeg synes blir litt for mye.

    Da hadde det vært fint om de kunne kommet med en 3010 modell med støtte av SACD for rundt 8-9000kr

    Noen som vet om 4010 har digital inn? Da kan alt inkl. dac`en selges.
    Da syntes jeg 17.000,- er helt greit.

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    Sitat Opprinnelig postet av Kriller
    Noen som vet om 4010 har digital inn? Da kan alt inkl. dac`en selges.
    Det blir en kjedelig hjemmekino, kun bestående av en Blu-ray-spiller

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    Da syntes jeg 17.000,- er helt greit.
    Det skal mye mer enn regionfrihet og eventuell digital inn før denne er verdt 4-5 ganger mid-end-spillerne, etter min oppfatning. Og analogseksjonen er jeg meget uvillig til å betale noe som helst for, men slik er jeg.

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    Vil tro at lyd og bilde er bedre enn på 2010, samt at dvd,sacd,bluray og dac`en kan selges. Vil bli mye finere i racket, som må slankes uansett.

    Men, det kan se ut som det blir litt omtaler i neste utgave av hjemmekino av disse multispillerne så får vel lese deres konklusjoner før en tar noe valg.

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    Denon USA | DBP-4010UDCI

    Info fra Amerika.

    EDIT: ingen digitalinngang.

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    Denon USA | DBP-4010UDCI

    Info fra Amerika.

    EDIT: ingen digitalinngang.

    Ingen dig inngang der nei:evil:

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    Sitat Opprinnelig postet av Kriller
    Vil tro at lyd og bilde er bedre enn på 2010
    Den har ABT 2010-bildebrikke, samme som i Oppo BDP83. Denon BDP-2010 har ABT 1030-brikken ("dårligere" enn 2010).

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    Blir nok en 2010 på meg likevell.
    Da kan jeg kvitte meg med dvd spilleren og tror den kan matche cd spilleren min også.

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