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03-10-2009, 14:42 #121
03-10-2009, 18:58 #122
Dette var høye priser, men veiledene priser er alltid høyere en utsalgsprisen! Håper på at en av 46" havner på rundt 15k!
03-10-2009, 19:10 #123Opprinnelig postet av borchgrevink
men normalt så faller 42" og 50" raskt mens 37" holder seg mer stabil.
03-10-2009, 23:00 #124
Jeg synes det virker veldig merkelig at toppmodellen TX-P46Z1 skal koste 1000 kr mindre enn TX-P46G15.
Spent på hva faktisk utsalgspris på disse modellene blir. Jeg tror uansett at det blir en av dem på meg i sommer.
03-10-2009, 23:13 #125Opprinnelig postet av borchgrevink
03-11-2009, 09:19 #126
03-11-2009, 14:26 #127Opprinnelig postet av borchgrevink
Selv synes jeg denne virker mest interessant, da den lå bli forholdsvis rimelig og har Neo PDP. Hvis kalibreringsmulighetene er like som G10, uten meningsløs internettstøtte, så kan den muligens bli "nesten THX"
Apros pos, jeg synes det er merkelig at Panasonic i den første presseldingen anonserte at S-serien skulle få "THX-certified display". Dette var tydligvis for godt til å være sant og har blitt fjernet. Synd, da CNET hadde svært gode erfaringer med "THX-mode" fra forige generasjon:
Panasonic Viera TH-58PZ800U Flat-panel TV reviews - CNET Reviews
03-11-2009, 14:44 #128Opprinnelig postet av reidarm
03-11-2009, 15:59 #129Opprinnelig postet av Fenriz
:Veil. pris på PX80 er jo hele 11.990 for 42'' og 10.990 for 37'' 8)
03-11-2009, 17:10 #130Opprinnelig postet av Esp1
V series (Plasma) | PRODUCT | VIERA | PDP&LCD TV | Panasonic
Da ser jeg ikke helt poenget i å satse på hverken S- eller G-serien hvis bildekvalitet er første prioritet...
03-12-2009, 10:58 #131
Info fra USA med priser:
Panasonic Reveals Full 2009 HDTV Lineup - 3/11/2009 2:07:00 PM - TWICE
New York — Armed with its new top-of-the-line 1-inch-thin 1080p NeoPDP plasma display, Panasonic gave members of the press a closer look at its 2009 TV line Wednesday since formally unveiling it at International CES in January.
The company also formally revealed pricing for the sets, and while positioning its plasma TVs prominently as the superior big-screen alternative for TV viewing, it also showed that it is remains committed to LCD TVs in small to midrange screen size applications.
But plasma was clearly its performance, value and technology showpiece, as illustrated by the super-thin Z1 flagship series, which ships in May in only a 54-inch screen size at a $5,999 suggested retail.
Beyond the 1-inch-thin panel depth, the set includes FullHD 1080p resolution, a 40,000:1 contrast ratio and Panasonic’s new NeoPDP technology, which is included in all of its 1080p plasma sets this year. The system halves the power consumption of each set compared with last year’s models or gives users the option to watch pictures at twice the brightness level, while consuming the same amount of power as last year’s line.
Kate Beck, Panasonic national product category manager, said the brighter setting will enable retailers to demonstrate plasma up against LCD TVs on well-lit sales floors, without suffering the perceived contrast limitations that have kept some consumers away in the past. At home, it will make for stronger picture performance in rooms with a lot of ambient light.
Panasonic’s training manager Gregg Lee and Bill Schindler, plasma consultant to the company, present the 1-inch-thin TC-P54Z1 ($5,999) 1080p plasma set.
In addition, Panasonic said it has received THX performance certification for its top four plasma model series (including the Z1) this year, expanding the credentials from last year’s line.
The TC-P54Z1 also includes a swivel stand, Digital Cinema Color expanded color gamut, 24Hz Cinematic Playback and a wireless HDMI switcher box that enables placing source components a distance from the TV without the need for connecting cables.
The set houses its tuner, input switcher and wireless transmitter in a separate box equipped with VieraLink (HDMI-CEC) connectivity that enables controlling a range of connected Panasonic products through one remote control. It also includes VieraCast connectivity that enables the set to receive IPTV services including YouTube, Picasa Web Albums, Amazon Video On Demand (starting in May), Bloomberg News and The Weather Channel, through the TV set via a broadband video connection.The set also features removable side-mounted speakers.
The V10 series plasma models, which replace last year’s PZ850 line, includes the 50-, 54-, 58- and 65-inch screen sizes, all of which measure an inch thicker than the Z1.
The TC-P50V10 ($2,299), which includes a single-sheet of glass design style, ships in May, the TC-P54V10 ($2,699) ships in June, and the TC-P58V10 and TC-P65V10 will ship in August at prices to be announced.
The V10 models include the aforementioned NeoPDP technology, 40,000:1 contrast ratio, Digital Cinema Color, VieraCast IPTV connectivity and services, SD card slot with Viera Image Viewer for still photos and AVCHD video playback, four HDMI inputs, a swivel stand, THX Certification, FullHD 1080p resolution and 24p playback.
The G15 plasma series also offers a 2-inch-thick panel, THX certification, Neo PDP technology 40,000:1 contrast ratio, 1080p resolution, Viera Cast IPTV connectivity, SD card reader with AVCHD playback and three HDMI inputs. The line includes the 42-inch ($1,499) 46-inch ($1,799) and 50-inch ($2,099) screen sizes and are all scheduled to ship in June.
The G10 plasma series includes the 54-inch ($2,399), 50-inch ($1,999), 46-inch ($1,699) and 42-inch ($1,399) screen sizes. All ship in March except the TC-P54G10, which ships in May. Features include a NeoPDP technology, 1080p resolution, a 40,000:1 contrast ratio, THX certification, Viera Cast IPTV connectivity, VieraLink (HDMI-CEC), image viewer with AVCHD playback, a 600Hz sub-field drive, game mode and three HDMI inputs.
The S1 series includes the 65-inch and 58-inch, both of which ship in August at prices to be announced, 54-inch (shipping in May at a $2,199.95 suggested retail), 50-inch ($1,799), 46-inch ($1,499), and 42-inch screen sizes ($1,199). The latter three ship this month.
Features include Neo PDP, 1080p resolution, 40,000:1 contrast ratio, full-time 1080 lines moving picture resolution, image viewer, 600Hz sub-field drive, AR filter, game mode and three HDMI inputs.
Currently shipping is the X1 series, which is Panasonic’s 720p plasma offering for 2009, both with 30,000:1 contrast ratios. Screen sizes include 42 and 50 inches, and features include 720p resolution, more than 900 lines of moving resolution, 600Hz sub-field drive, image viewer, Viera Link (HDMI-CEC), AR Filter, game mode and three HDMI inputs.
Two other entry lines planned for later in the year include the two-model PS14 and PX14 series, both in the 50- and 42-inch screen sizes. The S-series models are entry 1080p Neo PDP offerings, while the PX14 models offer 768p resolution with 900 lines of moving resolution. Prices and availability dates will be announced later.
In LCD TV, the company is preparing three series including the G1, S1 and X1 lines.
The top-of-the-line G1 series features 1080p resolution, a 20,000:1 contrast ratio and 120Hz frame-rate technology in two screen sizes: 37 ($1,099) and 32 inches ($799). In addition to 120Hz frame-rate technology, the sets improve motion resolution using a new 120Hz Motion Picture Pro3 technology that is said to further sharpen the image for sports and action sequences through the use of a flashing backlight system. Also included is an In Plane Switching (IPS) Alpha display panel with a 178-degree viewing angle and image viewer with SD card slot.
The sets, which ship in April, also include three HDMI inputs, a PC input, game mode, swivel stand and a narrow bezel design.The G1 series will be available in April.
S1 series LCD TV models ship this month in 32- and 37-inch screen sizes. Both offer 1080p resolution, 15,000:1 contrast ratios, Motion Focus technology, IPS Alpha panels with 178-degree viewing angles, SD card slot and image viewer function, PC input, three HDMI inputs, game mode and VieraLink (HDMI-CEC) component interoperability.
The X1 series includes the 37-, 32- and 26-inch screen sizes, all of which have 768p resolution, 12,000:1 contrast ratios and introduce Panasonic’s new iPod entertainment feature, which allows iPod connectivity via an iPod entertainment (dock) kit. This allows consumers to play and control their iPod music and videos on the X1 series sets using the Viera remote control. Other X1 features include Viera image viewer with SD card slot, Viera Link, PC input, game mode and three HDMI inputs.
The 37-inch ($799) and 32-inch ($649) X1 models will be available in March, and the 26-inch model ships in April at $599.
Later in the year the company plans to offer an entry LX14 series in the 32- and 26-inch screen sizes with 768p resolution and 10,000:1 contrast ratios at pricing to be announced.
03-12-2009, 11:00 #132Opprinnelig postet av Esp1
03-12-2009, 11:04 #133Opprinnelig postet av Esp1
Foreløpig har jo den europeiske V10 serien bare 42" og 50" tommer, synes vel det er litt lite.
03-12-2009, 11:09 #134Opprinnelig postet av reidarm
03-12-2009, 13:37 #135
Her er en test av Panasonic TC-P50S1:
Panasonic TC-P50S1 Flat-panel TV reviews - CNET Reviews
Som vanlig er det en avvikende grønnfarge i fargepaletten som trekker ned, samt forholdsvis dårlig SD-behandling. Så det ser ut som at det er et "must" å gå for G10 eller V10 for å oppnå godsakene.....
Vedlagt noen bilder av G10.
03-12-2009, 22:57 #136
Her kommer en kort omtale av G10 fra avsforum:
Thanks to Chris at Cleveland Plasma I had a chance to spend about 4 hours with the brand new TC-P50G10 last night. I have calibrated many 800us, and am very familiar with them; I was pleasantly surprised at some of the changes in the G10, while other changes left me scratching my head. According to my wife, I have a tendency to be too technical when I talk about TVs, so please bear with me. The main calibration was done with an i1Pro meter and CalMAN Professional 3.3.
From the factory:
Build date was Feb '09. I first measured the out of the box performance in THX mode and Custom mode with default settings. Attachment 1 is the THX results. Black was crushed quite a bit more than on the 800us due to too low of a black level. The THX mode defaulted to picture at 100, and light output was on the high side compared to most 800us before calibration. That, of course, is a good thing IMO. Grayscale measured cool, with red being de-emphasized. That's unexpected since all the 800us I've worked with have had a blue deficiency rather than a red deficiency in the grayscale. Gamma was about what I expected. However, when I measured the color gamut, I was surprised by a high dE in the magenta and very uneven color luminance, neither of which I've seen before in THX mode. Magenta was pulled strongly toward blue, and trying to compensate too much with the tint control pulled the yellow and cyan off target. The uneven luminance had blue much stronger than any other color. Turning the color up to 72 made most colors about right with blue being severely pushed. I was so surprised by this I pulled out the DVE color filters, and sure enough, looking through the filters blue was too strong while red and green were too weak.
Before calibration, custom mode looked promising. See attachment 2. The gamma, though it showed white crush, was not nearly as bad as the gamma on the 800u's Custom mode. The color primaries were too wide, but not to the extent that I see on many other displays. Light output was strong, but it was also very dependent on the measurement window size. Looking at a high APL contrast pattern, whites were not crushed; however, they were crushed on a low APL pattern. Looking through the DVE color filters showed perfect color decoding, though I prefer to trust either measurements or color isolation (these sets can not do color isolation) over the filters.
Just as in the 800u, the 48 Hz mode still flickers. They should have gone with 72 Hz instead of 48.
The service menu appeared unchanged from the 800u. I started by calibrating the warm 2 color temp preset using THX mode. After raising brightness to the point where the background was not lit up but everything above black was shown, I made some easy adjustments to the grayscale. I then exited the SM and did a full set of measurements. Things measured well in THX mode except for the high magenta dE and the color decoding issues. Gamma was a bit low, but still respectable. Light output was in the 37 ft-l range, which is good for THX mode. My opinion is that while 37 ft-l is adequate for darkened theaters, it is dull and hard to see in a typical living room environment.
I also calibrated Custom mode user controls using the same Warm 2 color temp preset. After calibration, Custom mode showed no signs of the terrible gamma it has in the 800u, though it was still on the low side. In the 800u, the gamma in Custom mode is dramatically different in the service menu than it is out of the SM. You may think the gamma is not bad on the 800u's Custom mode if you measure it while you are in the SM, but when you measure it in normal conditions (outside the SM), it deteriorates dramatically. The G10's gamma was acceptable (though not perfect) even out of the SM. While the filters suggested a color setting of 50 (default), the measurements suggested a color setting of 36, which I used. White crush on a low APL test pattern started with a picture setting in the mid 70's, so I backed it off to well before that point. Attachment 3 (pic at 56) and 4 (pic at 70) are the measurements for after calibration Custom mode.
I started viewing in THX mode. I looked at some familiar demo material on my DVE Blu-Ray, and immediately was groping for the remote to turn down the color. It was pretty much unwatchable at 72. After looking at many flesh tone scenes that I look at on every set I calibrate, a setting of 55 looked most natural. However, the picture had a slightly yellowish, "antique" cast. Tint was centered, but I thought a slight red bias helped a bit. Contrast ratio and black levels looked great, however.
The real surprise was how stunning Custom mode looked! In addition to the great contrast, Custom had much more natural looking color. It was brighter and more vibrant, also, and the yellowish, antique look was gone. It was so good that my only criticism was that I thought I saw a bit of pumping action and brightness instability. That was minor and could probably be minimized further by reducing the picture control.
I decided to re-measure and see what effects my new THX color settings (color 55, tint R2) would have on the measurements, and I wanted to re-measure the grayscale to make sure the yellowish cast was not caused by a lack of blue in the grayscale.
Attachment 5 is the after calibration THX results with my new color settings. Grayscale was still perfect. The new color settings really didn't do anything to improve the disappointing color decoding, but they made the set much more watchable.
Contrast ratio measurements:
I took the contrast ratio measurements in a totally dark room and with a meter that is very stable and consistent with extremely dark measurements (my Milori Trichromat-1). I set it's exposure time to the longest setting to further maximize accuracy.
The G10 simply blew the 800u away with the contrast ratio measurements! By eye, I knew the blacks and contrast were going to be great and much improved, and the measurements backed that up.
800u: full on/off 2387, modified ANSI 551 (calibrated THX mode)
G10: full on/off 7399, modified ANSI 3892 (calibrated Custom mode)
Wow! That's very impressive! Just a few years ago I was getting 1200-1500 full on/off from Panasonic plasmas and 400-500 full on/off from LG and Sony (yes, they made plasmas). 2-3 years ago ANSI results in the 100-200 range were common.
Comparison to a calibrated Samsung UN55B7100:
Please see my review of the Samsung for more info on it.
The G10 was in Custom mode. The Samsung's blacks were darker, but not to the same extent as with the 800u. It was easily noticeable in a totally dark room, but not a glaring difference. Ignoring totally black screens and concentrating on black areas of real pictures (what the modified ANSI measurements simulate) showed they were essentially even and both excellent in this regard in the middle and right side of the screen. On the left side, the Samsung's blacks looked a bit washed out with the ANSI checkerboard (due to the cloudiness, but this was not visible very often). The Samsung had more accurate looking color; flesh tones looked richer (without being overcooked) and more lifelike. Both were extremely sharp and detailed, and both had tremendous "pop". I noticed a tiny bit of pumping and brightness instability with the Panny, but it was not objectionable. They handled shadow detail similarly. If it were not for the slight pumping, the Panny's shadow detail would be much more apparent than the Samsung's. I think that characteristic is built in to the Custom mode, but again turning the picture control down a bit could help. The Panasonic was much better off to the side. This was a very close comparison, but I did prefer the Samsung overall. However, your environment, viewing angles, finances, etc may make the Panasonic a better choice for you, and I am very happy with the improvements to the contrast ratio and Custom mode in the G10.
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03-13-2009, 10:37 #137Opprinnelig postet av J.Haugen
03-14-2009, 11:06 #138
hva betyr disse tallene da, kort forklart og er det meget bra?
03-17-2009, 19:27 #139
[QUOTE=dudeeven]Hm, det ser ut til at 37" plasma blir borte og det er trist.[QUOTE]
Neida, her er 37" i X1 panelet:
LE Concepts - lcd and plasma tv online retailer
Kun, 7000,- med frakt med frakt fra UK..
Er vell ikke ille pris det?
03-18-2009, 02:19 #140
Så det og det varmer.
37" er en helt perfekt størelse på en tv. Da blir den ikke for liten og heller ikke for stor.
Men hva skjedde med 400hz motion drive?