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    Nye Marantz 8500 (med DVI-switching) og 7500

    Marantz PS8500 og PS7500 kommer snart i Japan. I Europa vil de antagelig hete SR-8500 og SR-7500.

    7500



    -170W * 7 (6ohm)
    -THX Select
    -MRAC, automatisk kalibrering med mikrofon
    -Lip sync
    -Dolby Digital ES
    -DTS EX
    -Dolby prologic IIx
    -DTS Neo:6
    -DTS96/24
    -Circle Surround II
    -Virtual Surround (TruSurround)
    -Dolby Headphone
    -MPEG2 AAC
    -komponent switching (4 inn, 1 ut)
    -max 570W forbruk
    -14,8 kg
    Listepris i Japan er den samme som for 7400 og tilsvarer 6300 NOK.
    I salg i Japan fra slutten av november.
    http://www.marantz.jp/he/news/press/ps7500.shtml

    8500



    -180W * 7 (6ohm)
    -THX Select
    -MRAC, automatisk kalibrering med mikrofon
    -Lip sync
    -Dolby Digital ES
    -DTS EX
    -Dolby prologic IIx
    -DTS Neo:6
    -DTS96/24
    -Circle Surround II
    -Virtual Surround (TruSurround)
    -Dolby Headphone
    -MPEG2 AAC
    -komponent switching (4 inn, 1 ut)
    -DVI-switching (2 inn, 1 ut)
    -max 610w forbruk
    -15kg
    Listepris i Japan tilsvarer 9400 NOK.
    I salg i Japan fra midten av desember.
    http://www.marantz.jp/he/news/press/ps8500.shtml

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    ingen tvil om at dette blir spennende, men er det bare meg, eller er ut- og inngangene bare gullforgylte på 8500 og ikke 7500?

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    Hadde vel egentlig foretrukket HDMI, men ser uansett ut som en fin receiver!

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    noen som vet hva 7500 og 8500 kommer til å koste her i landet?

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    noen som vet hva 7500 og 8500 kommer til å koste her i landet?
    Fått bekreftet fra Neby at 7500 kommer til å bli priset 9.990,- når den kommer i januar 2005.

    Det blir sikkert samme prishoppet opp til 8500 som på tidligere modeller.... :wink:

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    hmm, javel. jeg har hørt at 8500 vil ligger på rundt 16-16-17 tusen skjønner du. håper det stemmer

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    fra Neby (mail):

    SR7500: 9995,-
    SR8500: 14995,-

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    I den prisklassen ville jeg forventet FireWire....


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    I den prisklassen ville jeg forventet FireWire....
    DVI er vel allerede dødt for hjemmekino.

    Uten HDMI og I*Link er dette et "utgående" produkt allerede.

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    I den prisklassen ville jeg forventet FireWire....
    DVI er vel allerede dødt for hjemmekino.

    Uten HDMI og I*Link er dette et "utgående" produkt allerede.
    Ingen grunn til å si det. DVI funker jo som ei kule det. Må være ideelt i kombinasjon med en kraftig HTPC.

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    Uten HDMI og I*Link er dette et "utgående" produkt allerede.
    Ingen grunn til å si det. DVI funker jo som ei kule det. Må være ideelt i kombinasjon med en kraftig HTPC.
    DVI fungerer forsåvidt. Man kan bruke overgang fra HDMI til DVI eller fra HDMI til DVI få begge formatene "funker", men HDMI hadde vært bedre da:
    -Kontaktene tar mindre plass
    -Det er dagens og fremtidens standard for hjemmekino. "Digital Scart" kalles HDMI ofte. DVI er for data.
    -HDMI støtter lengere kabelstrekk
    -HDMI kan også overføre digital lyd, for eksempel fra DVD-Audio som disse receiverne ikke kan motta på noen annen måte.


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    Fant en review på Home Theater Blog for 7500

    Fant denne et stykke ned på siden http://www.hometheaterblog.com/hometheater/reviews/



    Fra 18. November:

    Marantz SR-7500 Review
    I wonder if Saul Marantz could have envisioned a surround sound receiver as advanced as the SR-7500, heck I wonder if he even considered the possibility of a surround sound receiver at all. Years ago when AVR’s first came on the market they were relatively simple. My first surround unit didn’t even have a center channel, just matrixed rears. As the years went on we got into Dobly Pro-Logic, Dolby Digital, and eventually Dolby Digital EX and DTS-ES. Somewhere during all of that evolvement, these suckers got complicated. Like anything else that advances, it’s hard to pinpoint just where it happened, but you know it must have been simpler way back when.

    Well, receivers might actually be easier to use from here on out. I wanted to wait until I’d tried at least two or three different surround receivers with auto-room EQ setup until I made up my mind. But if the Marantz SR-7500, Denon AVR-3805, and to a lesser degree Harman AVR-330 are any example, the days of fiddling around with delay and size settings, until you’re cross-eyed, are over. The SR-7500 is a 105W X 7 channel surround sound receiver with a host of impressive features. Among them the aforementioned “MRAC (Marantz Room Acoustics Calibration)”, Dolby Digital EX, Pro Logic IIx, DTS 96/24, and THX Surround EX processing, component video switching, video up-conversion, and adjustable Lip Sync error correction.

    Initial Impressions:
    As always the proof is in the pudding, so to speak, but I was a little taken aback by the weight of the receiver when I unpackaged it. It wasn’t a feather weight by any means, but It didn’t have that ‘ouch my back’ factor I was almost expecting. I was anxious to see if this would have any impact on the overall sound, so I began mapping out my connections. In my setup at least, not normally using any video switching, set-up is typically a snap. I plug in my Sat and DVD coaxial leads and jam in my speaker plugs, and that’s pretty much it for receiver connections at my place. All in all hooking up this receiver was as simple as could be. Oh by the way, yeah the remote is ugly but serves the purpose.

    Connections:
    Speaking of connections, let me give a little more detail about what’s available on the rear of the SR-7500. The receiver supports the typical component video (4x1), s-video and composite video connections, as well as 4 optical digital audio connections and 3 coaxial. In addition, IR-Flasher trigger in and repeat out connections are included and an RS-232 port, as well as Marantz’s Multi-RC connections. The speaker connection terminals are arranged in a double horizontal row arrangement and makes for easy speaker connection. 7.1 Pre-Outs and Ins are also included on the rear panel. I was very pleased to see a removable IEC power cable.

    Setup and Operation:
    Once I got a monitor out connected it was fairly smooth running from there. I suppose I was hoping for a little something extra from the menu system, but aside from the MRAC menu additions I didn’t really see anything new. That’s not to say the menu lacked anything, it was just a little spartan, but very easy to navigate. Anyone who’s able to navigate through the menu of any recent audio, video receiver will have no issues doing the same with the SR-7500.

    Marantz Room Acoustics Calibration:
    Alright now for the fun part, I say fun because I’m not a receiver tweaker. I take a real no nonsense approach to my audio setup, my stereo setup doesn’t even have tone controls. I like nice even accurate sounds and don’t feel like futzing around with a A/V receiver for hours at a time to get the sound right. After using the auto-setup on the recently reviewed Denon AVR-3805 I was anxious to see how Marantz’s systems compared. Once the included omni-directional microphone was plugged in I hit the MRAC button and away we went. The first part of the process is an ambient noise level check. Then the system cycles through a series of pink noise that gets progressively higher in frequency moving from speaker to speaker and then repeats one additional time. The entire process can be followed on screen and then you’re prompted to save your settings once it’s finished. How did it work? To my ears, it was flawless, nice even balance and volume throughout all the speakers. I opened up the menu one more time to see what the MRAC had come up with for distance to speakers and it all appeared to be dead on. All in all I’m very confident I got quicker, more accurate results than I could have come up with on my own, in any reasonable amount of time.

    Video Features and Performance:
    The SR-7500 is capable of up-conversion from either the composite inputs or the s-video inputs.
    Time based correction and anti-aliasing are applied to the lower resolution signals to ensure the best signal possible through the component monitor out. I tried this with a Game Cube and was pleasantly surprised with the results. I'd never been able to get the display from the GC to appear correctly formatted on my projector, until passed through the component out of the 7500.

    Sound Performance:
    I started off (unknowingly) with what would provide the most impressive demonstration of what the SR-7500 is capable of, the DTS soundtrack of Kill Bill Volume One. Right off the bat I had experienced the one thing that in my mind exemplifies a great product, I forgot to review the receiver and started watching the movie. Simple as it sounds it says volumes. I hear all sorts of receivers and processors and more time than not I can pick them apart analytically without even really enjoying what I’m hearing. There was something really right with how this receiver was decoding DTS. Once I got my bearings back and started paying attention or rather ‘reviewing’ again I skipped forward to the House of Blue Leaves chapter. The army of crazy 88’s rushing into the teahouse sounded like a stampede coming through my living room and immediately caught my attention as having more bass than I’d had in my system up to this point.

    Once Beatrix drew her sword and started wreaking havoc, I had the sense that this had to be better than the sound at the local Cineplex we’d seen Vol. 1 at. The sound seemed very balanced, the swords clanging in from the left or right had just the right amount of impact and just as quickly as the hits came, the sound focused back to the center right on time. The ‘Blue’ fight scene had spot on localization, making the otherwise dark scene even easier to follow along with than I’d noticed before. It was as if I’d never really experienced this disc properly and I was engrossed in every second of it.

    From there I moved onto ‘O Brother, Where Art Thou?’, specifically chapter 4. I wanted to hear something a little more organic and ambient, and the “Down by the river” scene seemed like a natural. The sound had a near analog quality to it, as the camera panned past the congregation, several of singing actors voices were very pronounced and had a tonal accuracy that was really impressive. Having seen this section a few times before, and not thinking much of it, I was surprised to find myself almost wishing the song would go on a little longer.

    This had peaked my interest for song reproduction and I wanted to check out Chicago. I popped it in, selected the DTS track, and skipped forward to chapter eight’s “reached for the gun” sequence. To be honest, I wasn’t overly familiar with the DVD, but had seen the film in the theater and felt confident that this would make for an impressive demonstration. Hmm, seems I was wrong as I was less than impressed with what I was hearing. Had the SR-7500 already showed some weakness? Later I wrote this off to nothing more than just a moment before hearing a really good soundtrack then a mediocre one. I can say this with confidence, based on what was to come later.

    Sticking with the DTS theme, I next tried out Pearl Harbor. Oddly enough this was the first time I was really ‘wowed’ (pun intended) by the THX clip at the beginning of a movie, outside the theater that is. I watched the entire ‘First Strike’ sequence and thoroughly enjoyed it. The left to right movement of the planes was accurately portrayed in the sound stage. It might sound weird but this was the first time I’d had a ‘Cinema’ experience at home with my system. It’s not that I haven’t watched a ton for movies at home, and with various types of equipment, but just that I’ve owned more than my fair share of slightly out of date processors and receivers. Now I felt 'caught up', for lack of a better term. According to my notes, this is where I zoned out again and just watched the movie.

    Back on to the review, for kicks I wanted to throw on Phantom Menace and check out the pod race sequence. Being a Lucasfilm product, this disc obviously didn’t have a DTS soundtrack, as a result of this I was brought back into the real world of surround sound reproduction for a few minutes. Overall I was less than blown-away with this sequence and was left feeling a little miffed. After all, hadn’t I just heard some really great surround sound a few minutes earlier? Yes but that was with a DTS soundtrack. Was the SR-7500 a one trick pony? The short answer is no. DTS, no matter how you slice it up, is compressed less than Dolby Digital and in 90% of my discs DTS is clearly the better soundtrack. So likely what I was experiencing was just the ‘let down’, if you will, of hearing great audio rather than really good audio. Now I’m sure some Dolby Digital fan will read that and blow a gasket, but that’s just my 2 cents worth, take it or leave it. This was also the first disc I tried out the SR-7500’s THX mode. I’ll gladly admit I’m no THX expert but from what I’ve been able to gather, THX-EX applies some re-equalizing of the upper frequencies across the front channels, of which I found lacking. I can’t say whether it was the decoding itself or how my associated gear worked with it, but needless to say I spent very little time with the THX mode after this point.

    Not fully convinced I was getting good Dolby Digital performance out of the 7500, I wanted to review another non-DTS disc and grabbed my Indiana Jones box set and selected ‘Raiders of the Lost Ark’. I immediately noticed more openness and presence than I’d gotten out of menace. The jungle sounds had that open airy sound I’d noticed on previous discs. With Phantom Menace, I had less than stellar bass performance but as soon as I popped in Raiders it was back to normal or even better than normal. I’m not sure how to account for this other than to chalk it up to room acoustics. Regardless, I was now satisfied with what I was hearing and ready to move onto another disc.

    Ok recap time. What had I learned so far? This receiver really shines with DTS tracks and I don’t care for THX that much, but as I don’t own another single piece of THX gear should this come as any surprise? Moving on, I threw in Star Wars: A New Hope from the recently released box set and watched as the opening credits scrolled past, freedom of the galaxy yada yada. Ahh, there was that great bass performance again; although I doubt my neighbor appreciated it much. They really did a great job with the audio on this box set. The orchestral pieces are some of the best I’ve heard on a DVD and the SR-7500 really shows it off. One thing in particular that caught my ear was the ‘swoosh’ of the ships doors, much like in my review of the Harman-AVR 330 except this time they seemed to encompass another foot or two of the soundstage. In the scene where Jabba finally catches up with Han in the landing bay, Jabba’s voice sounded as if he had a big piece of phlegm in his throat, which I can only assume is what Lucas had I mind for the character.

    I was really enjoying what I was hearing and felt like going through my entire DVD collection, however sanity prevailed and luckily for you I only pulled out a few more. Next up was Finding Nemo. Some of the background music on this disc had a truly ambient feel to it, the music was clear and palpable but never interfered with the dialog. In the scene where Marlin and Dory are riding the current with the turtles, the bubbles and gurgling sounds seemed to emanate from 3 feet in front of the speakers, not right at them. The scene in which the mines are accidentally detonated really rumbled my room, something that until the insertion of the 7500 into the system was a rare occurrence. Feeling the animation vibe I popped in Shrek, early on there’s a scene where the villagers confront Shrek. When the “this is part where you run” line is delivered the fleeing townsfolk seemed to run 2 or 3 feet past my right speaker, again showing of excellent soundstage performance.

    Lastly I tried out a rental, The Chronicles of Riddick. In the scene where some prisoners are caged I caught some excellent front to rear pan. And towards the end, when Riddick fights the General Marshal, I again had some of the deepest bass extension yet so far in my System. If you missed this one in the theater, I highly recommend it.

    Conclusion:
    Based on my tests with ‘Kill Bill Volume One’ alone, I was ready to upgrade. I knew I had something different on my hands. But lest I seem like a pushover for this receiver, I’ll go into some other reasons why I was impressed. I felt the power output from this receiver, especially through the center channel, gave an overall more intelligible and articulate representation of voice. That paired with the ridiculously simple and accurate auto-EQ setup made the Marantz SR-7500 a real winner. The SR-7500 will appear in my year end, Recommended Gear for 2004/2005 list.
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    Er det platespilleringang i herligheten?

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    SR-7500 har ikke platespiller inngang. Du må i såfall koble til en RIAA trinn som kan kjøpes utenom, vet ikke pris på dette.
    Har selv hatt denne Marantz'en i en måneds tid nå og er så langt godt fornøyd, enkel å instille og god lyd.
    Anbefales

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    er det en grunn til at tuner inn står for seg selv?

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    Ble litt undrende sjøl der. Modellen på bildet i denne tråden er den japanske versjon visstnok. Den som jeg kjøpte i Norge har ikke Tuner inn.
    Den har innebygd RDS radio. Antenne inngangene er plassert der som "Tuner In" er på den vist på bildet. Regner med det er forklaringen.

    Her ser du bildet av den europeiske varianten: http://www.avforum.no/avnytt/data/15...arge-large.jpg

    Fant forresten en review av den her: http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=185962

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