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    Opinion: No high-def tipping point
    By Paul Sweeting -- Video Business, 9/28/2007

    Paul Sweeting is editor of Content Agenda

    SEPT. 28 | WHEN PARAMOUNT Home Entertainment made the switch from supporting both high-definition formats to supporting HD DVD exclusively, PHE president Kelly Avery stressed the need to concentrate on a single, low-cost format that would kick-start the high-def market.

    “Ultimately, we don't want this to become a niche business, she said at the time. “We need to get consumers to step up to high-def DVD players, and we think this fourth quarter presents an opportunity to do that.”

    Avery may have been too optimistic.

    According to a series of recent reports from credible analysts, this fourth quarter could be a disappointing one for high-def hardware sales in general. The odds that either high-def format will have a strong-enough Christmas to tilt the balance of the format war one way or the other are looking pretty long.

    According to the National Retail Federation, retail sales during November and December will rise 4% this year to $474.5 billion, representing the slowest holiday sales growth since 2002, when revenue rose 1.3%.

    “Retailers are in for a somewhat challenging holiday season as consumers are faced with numerous economic obstacles,” said Rosalind Wells, NRF chief economist. “With the weak housing market and current credit crunch, consumers will be forced to be more prudent with their holiday spending.”

    According to VB sister-publication TWICE, Circuit City CEO Phil Schoonover cited the NRF forecast during a conference call last week, noting that it mirrors his company’s own assessment of the holiday period.

    A separate report by research firm TNS Retail Forward was even gloomier, putting growth for the fourth quarter at only 3.3%.

    “The credit crunch will lead to a consumer crunch by the holidays. This will extend the weakness in retail sales beyond home improvement stores to other retail channels,” senior economist Frank Badillo said.

    “This top-line forecast may still underestimate the extent of the weakness,” Badillo continued. “Our forecast numbers are even weaker when home improvement and catalog retailer sales and online sales are excluded.”

    Perhaps more alarming for the future of high-def were the results of a survey conducted by Best Buy, which found widespread consumer confusion about HDTV.

    According to the survey, close to 90% of Americans say they lack a complete understanding of HDTV technology, and nearly half significantly underestimate the costs.

    “You won't believe the number of times that someone will come in to a Best Buy and say, 'I just want a flat TV,” Best Buy VP of home theater merchandising Mike Mohan told CNNMoney.

    Actually, I would believe it.

    “We were getting a lot of anecdotal evidence that showed consumers were frustrated with their HDTV purchases,” Mohan said. “We felt that we had some gaps in key areas of consumer education. That's why we decided to commission this study and really understand where the issues were.”

    While it’s nice to see Best Buy making the effort, the survey results suggest that HDTV sales this Christmas are unlikely to have much of a coattail effect for Blu-ray or HD DVD players. If consumers are confused about buying high-def displays, what are the odds they’ll be able to figure out Blu-ray vs. HD DVD?

    ANY STUDIO STILL HOPING that some combination of pricing, exclusive titles and marketing this fourth quarter will move the needle enough for its chosen format to bring some clarity to the format war by early next year is kidding itself—as another pair of recent reports make clear.

    According to a new forecast by U.K. research firm Screen Digest, Blu-ray and HD DVD are likely to coexist “for the foreseeable future,” in the U.S. and Western Europe.

    “Christmas 2007 is going to be critical for the high-def video business,” Screen Digest video analyst Richard Cooper said. “Both formats will be seeking to secure consumer buy-in to their proposition during the critical holiday season, but with so much at stake on both sides, we think it is highly unlikely that one format will emerge as the ‘winner.’”

    Even Forrester Research, which had previously called the race for Blu-ray, is having second thoughts.

    “Blu-ray's content advantages are somewhat diminished since the recent decision by Paramount to commit exclusively to HD DVD. And HD DVD hardware prices have dropped directly into consumers' preferred price range,” the company said in a new report. “Blu-ray's failure to land a knock-out blow means that the format war will continue for at least 18 more months.”

    That’s two more Christmases of stalemate.

    Paul Sweeting is editor of Content Agenda.

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    Et tips til dere som klipper og limer inn laaange sider; Uthev helst en linje eller to av det som er viktig eller interessant. Ellers blir det bare til at man går rett på neste innlegg..

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    Red face

    “You won't believe the number of times that someone will come in to a Best Buy and say, 'I just want a flat TV,” Best Buy VP of home theater merchandising Mike Mohan told CNNMoney.

    Dette kan egentlig produsenter og utviklere takke seg selv for. De har tross alt utviklet tv'er som i starten ikke kunne by på stort annet enn at de var flate.
    Jeg har snakket med flere som kjøpte lcd for 2-2,5 år siden som ikke er særlig fornøyd med sine kjøp. De skulle bare ha det siste man kunne få på markedet.
    Det eneste som har etablert seg er at folk vil ha flate og store tv'er. HD-Ready var noe som dukket opp uten at det ble belyst på noen måte verken av produsenter eller forhandlerer, iallefall ikke på en måte som gjorde at forbukere kunne sette seg inn i det.
    Forhandlere har også vært rimelig subtile i sine forklaringer.
    Går du på gata og spør 10 personer om de vet hva HD er så vil kanskje EN vite hva det er.
    Sony har begynt å kjøre en HD reklame på tv, men den baserer seg på at dette er noe folk vet hva er.
    Vi er altså nå kommet dit hvor det er hd som gjelder for tv industrien, men verken det digitale bakkenettet eller dvd kan tilby dette og forbrukere vet ikke helt hva det er.
    Vi har kanskje skikkelig hd tv om 5-10 år. Det vil nok dukke opp en og annen kanal samt at kabel selskaper kommer til å ha egne tilbud.
    Nå vil produsentene av hd-dvd og blu-ray at dette skal bli de nye store formatene og alle skal bare legge seg flate for hd revolusjonen. NEPPE...
    Denne teknologien har gått så fort at folk ikke klarer å følge med, det er ikke bra.
    Faktum er at en skikkelig god crt tv har mye bedre bilde enn de fleste lcd'er når det kommer til dvd og vanlig tv titting.
    Hd og Blu blir nemlig ingen skikkelig krig før folk får vite hva det er. De må også begynne å se på billedkvalitet å ikke bare at tv er stort og flatt.
    Vi er nesten der hvor tv'en dukket opp for første gang. Alle skulle ha tv, men det tok lang tid før de ville ha det beste bilde.

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    Er dette et tegn på at Samsung har funnet ut at HD markedet er så lite at DUO spilleren deres fyller en etterspørsel hvor det ikke er nødvendig med en dyr BD modell i tillegg?

    Ganske uvanlig å totalt kanselere en modell som er vist frem på messer.

    Eller er dette et tegn på fremtidige formatvalg innen industrien som ikke er annonsert enda?


    Samsung BDP-2400 Blu-ray player canceled (updated)

    If you were looking forward to get the new Samsung BDP-2400, I have bad news for you; I just received word that Samsung has canceled all plans to release their upcoming high-end Blu-ray Disc player. All orders for the player have been canceled, and the model will not be brought to the market.

    There is no word on why this decision was made. If I were to guess, I’d say they couldn’t meet the October 31 deadline for BD 1.0 spec. I hope this means they’re going to have a 1.1 spec player available soon.

    Earlier this year, Samsung announced two BD players and a dual-format player. The BDP-2400 was the higher-end model featuring the Silicon Optix HQV Reon processor, and the BDP-1400 was the consumer-level product with nearly identical specs but without the HQV chipset.

    Update: The Samsung BD-UP5000 has been moved back to December. The BD-UP5000 is a dual-format player and with this new release date means it is a minimum 1.1 spec, but it has all the required hardware to be a 2.0 spec. This may confirm my assumption that the BDP-2400 was canceled because they couldn’t meet the Oct. 31 deadline.

    Samsung BDP-2400 Blu-ray player canceled (updated) » Blu-ray, HD DVD, info at WesleyTech.com

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    Er dette et tegn på at Samsung har funnet ut at HD markedet er så lite at DUO spilleren deres fyller en etterspørsel hvor det ikke er nødvendig med en dyr BD modell i tillegg?

    Ganske uvanlig å totalt kanselere en modell som er vist frem på messer.

    Eller er dette et tegn på fremtidige formatvalg innen industrien som ikke er annonsert enda?
    Eller er det rett og slett ikke annet enn hva forfatteren av artikkelen skriver:

    This may confirm my assumption that the BDP-2400 was canceled because they couldn’t meet the Oct. 31 deadline.

    Verken mer eller mindre..................
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    Eller er det rett og slett ikke annet enn hva forfatteren av artikkelen skriver:

    This may confirm my assumption that the BDP-2400 was canceled because they couldn’t meet the Oct. 31 deadline.

    Verken mer eller mindre..................
    Skal det være en god grunn??

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    Skal det være en god grunn??
    Hva mener du med det?
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    This may confirm my assumption that the BDP-2400 was canceled because they couldn’t meet the Oct. 31 deadline.
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    Skal det være en god grunn??
    Vel... Ja.

    Alle spillere som lanseres etter 1. november må støtte Profile 1.1. Det gjør ikke denne spilleren, og hvis den ikke blir ferdig i tide, så kan den rett og slett ikke gis ut. Da må de redesigne den som en 1.1-spiller og prøve igjen. Siden de sannsynligvis allerede jobber med 1.1-spillere som skal komme på markedet neste år, så er det nok langt enklere å bare skrote denne modellen helt og la utviklingen av 1.1-spillerne gå sin gang.

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    Alle spillere som lanseres etter 1. november må støtte Profile 1.1. Det gjør ikke denne spilleren, og hvis den ikke blir ferdig i tide, så kan den rett og slett ikke gis ut. Da må de redesigne den som en 1.1-spiller og prøve igjen. Siden de sannsynligvis allerede jobber med 1.1-spillere som skal komme på markedet neste år, så er det nok langt enklere å bare skrote denne modellen helt og la utviklingen av 1.1-spillerne gå sin gang.
    God forklaring, takker.

    Det nevnes 2.0 spec'en. Er det satt noen dato på denne? Er dette noe man kan oppdatere softwaremessig?

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    Det nevnes 2.0 spec'en. Er det satt noen dato på denne? Er dette noe man kan oppdatere softwaremessig?
    Nei. Det er meningen at 1.1 og 2.0 skal leve side om side i overskuelig fremtid.

    2.0 er rett og slett 1.1 med nettverk. Siden 1.1-spillere gjerne ikke har nettverkskontakt, så blir det også litt vanskelig å softwareoppgradere slike spillere til 2.0

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    Ganske uvanlig å totalt kanselere en modell som er vist frem på messer.
    Det er det ihvertfall ikke. Har sett utrolig mye på messer som det aldri har blitt noe av.

    Når det er sagt så betyr dette ingen ting for oss da denne modellen uansett ikke skulle selges i Skandinavia.

    Tipper at den raskt blir avløst av en profil 1.1 spiller om noen måneder.

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    Jeg hadde egentlig tenkt å bytte ut min XA1, med den nye Onkyo. Men denne kombispilleren fra Samsung koster kun $100 ekstra, og ser ut til å være like god, ihvertfall basert på spesifikasjoner (samme Reon brikken bl.a.) og greit med DTS-HD MA gjennom HDMI, som min nåværende Panasonic spiller ikke har. Så jeg gleder meg til denne (er utsatt i USA til Desember nå, og det nevnes at den vil kunne oppgraderes med firmware til 2.0 profilen senere).

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    De venter sikkert bare til Warner og New Line melder om Blu-ray eksklusivitet i Q1 2008; og kansellerer hele kombi-spilleren
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    De venter sikkert bare til Warner og New Line melder om Blu-ray eksklusivitet i Q1 2008; og kansellerer hele kombi-spilleren
    Du lever fortsatt i troen på en kort format krig? Det er jo lov å håpe....

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    Du lever fortsatt i troen på en kort format krig? Det er jo lov å håpe....
    Ja, jeg håper, men er redd dette kan dra litt ut. HW-prisene faller, men hvorfor senkes ikke prisene mer på filmtitlene...?
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    En oversikt over noen av HDDVD's Interaktive og Web aktive muligheter.
    Mer i linken nederst:

    Back in April 2003, the DVD Forum’s Technical Coordination Group convened a meeting (HD0-10) intended to identify those features that are considered necessary in order to ensure the long-term success of the HD DVD Video format.

    These HD DVD requirements were published in a 2005 discussion document a summary of which is presented below.

    Examples include streamed audio from network, new commentary alert, audio jukebox, alternate subtitle stream, shared scene medleys, presentation and notification of updated content, updated actor biography and trailers, e-commerce, multi-player games, score-based links, photo scrapbook, and many more

    What impressed me most in the Berlin demos is the seamless and transparent nature of the sourcing of material displayed on screen. Is it coming from the disc itself, the player’s internal memory or a faraway web server? You just wouldn’t know and, after a while, no longer care! This is new, exciting territory.

    So, the story only begins. If the advocates of an online-only entertainment future keep prophetising the imminent demise of packaged media, they will have to convince us of the merit of spending (wasting) hours downloading over the internet a hi-def movie file on a PC, let alone the extras.

    Isn’t it so much easier – and cheaper – to get the content-rich movie on the disc while accessing all the bells and whistles online – and all of it displayed on the 42” HD plasma screen you are going to buy for Christmas?

    Samples of HD DVD networked requirements
    Streamed audio from network.
    An alternative audio stream is streamed over the network and synchronized frame accurately to the primary video. The user has the ability to switch between the streamed audio and the other audio streams that reside on the disc.

    New commentary alert.
    While the movie is playing an on-screen message appears alerting the user of a new director’s commentary that is available. The director’s commentary audio stream is streamed over the network and mixed with the main audio stream according to provided metadata (e.g. stereo director’s commentary is mapped to the left and right channels). The resultant composite audio stream is synchronized with the primary video.

    Audio Jukebox.
    The user is presented with a menu interface that lists various songs that are available for playback. The user can either choose a predefined play list to listen to or can select the individual songs to listen to.

    Alternate subtitle stream.
    An alternate subtitle stream which has been previously downloaded and cached on the user’s home network is listed on the subtitle menu along with all of the on-disc subtitle streams. When selected the alternate subtitle stream is synchronized to the feature film.

    Graphical commentary.
    A director’s graphical commentary stream which has been previously downloaded and cached on the user’s home network is selected by the user from a menu interface for playback. When selected, the graphical commentary is synchronized with and overlaid onto the primary video.

    Shared scene medleys.
    A user creates a personal “Scene Medley” of his/her favorite scenes in a movie. The scenes are scripted to play in the order as determined by the user. In addition, the user has the option to record and mix their own audio commentary with the various scenes. The resulting scene medley (script and audio commentary) can be posted to an internet server and shared with friends.

    Seamless presentation and notification of updated content.
    Upon start of playing a disc, the disc automatically determines if additional content is available in the local cache (hard drive), on the home network or on the internet and then either (1) notifies the user such additional content is available (via button, or overlay graphic), or (2) seamlessly presents the additional content as if it was authored onto the DVD itself.

    Updated actor biography.
    A user selects to view the actor biography for a specific movie. The player connects to a content-owner authorized location and determines that updated actor biography information is available for the currently played disc. The updated content is downloaded resulting in an updated actor biography menu that is presented to the user. Updated trailers. Based on the user profile and the disc in the player/drive, updated trailers for that studio are automatically downloaded and cached. The next time a disc from that studio is played, the trailers are automatically played before playing the movie. The trailers are presented to the consumer just as if they were on the disc. The disc’s navigation is automatically updated and gives the consumer the ability to “skip” the trailers, as is already possible if the trailers are on the disc.

    Automatic update.
    New content is automatically downloaded and merged into the on-disc menu navigation as if the downloaded content were originally part of the disc. Likewise, when certain data is unavailable (e.g. has not finished downloading) the user interface handles this situation gracefully.

    Disc-based user chat.
    While connected to the internet and with a specific disc loaded in the player the user chats with other users and/or cast and crew. While chatting the user can post a bookmark to a specific scene in the disc.

    Disc-based synchronized event.
    While connected to the internet the user creates or joins an event that automatically synchronizes the playback of the movie in each user’s player. If the user joins the event prior to the event starting, a timer graphic appears that indicates the amount of time until the event starts (a similar timer graphic could be displayed during the event indicating time remaining).

    e-Commerce.
    When a user selects an item to purchase the user enters billing/address/shipping information via a keyboard or a “virtual keyboard” that appears on the screen. The user submits the information (to the server) which completes the transaction. User’s billing information can be saved in their user profile for future use.

    Messaging.
    While playing a disc the user joins a club associated with that disc. Once a member of the club and while playing back the disc the user receives messages from the server which give links to content on a network server or the disc. In addition, the user sends and/or receives messages to/from other members of the club (e.g. invitation to watch a different movie).

    Multi-player games.
    Users play a game that allows up to two simultaneous players (via multiple remote controls or other input devices).

    Score-based links.
    Upon achieving a high enough score, the user is presented with a link to download/stream content from an internet server or access additional content on the disc.

    Photo scrapbook.
    The user captures a frame of video without audio/video interruption and saves it to local storage or on the home network. Using the various frames captured the user makes a scrapbook and can add text, draw on each image, or post the scrapbook to an internet site.


    Networked HD player – bridging packaged and online worlds

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    Damn! Mange cheezy og utrolig unødvendige kommer-aldri-til-å-brukes-funksjoner! :razz:

    BDA har i hvertfall min velsignelse til å holde seg til ting som alternate subtitle stream, new commentary alert, PiP-kommentarspor, samt dette med automtiske oppdateringer og oppdatering av biografier til cast og crew, når den tid kommer.

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    Det er alltid like positivt å se negative kommentarer til fremtidige muligheter.

    Kanskje vi også slippe kommentarer fra folk som skal fortelle oss hva de ikke vil ha, akkurat som om det er interessant.

    Tydelighvis var JEAN-LUC RENAUD, Editor-in-Chief, dvd-intelligence ganske imponert og trakk frem akkurat disse mulighetene.
    Det er mange flere muligheter, bare begrenset av kreativitet.
    Hvis noen er interessert i alle mulige variasjoner så er dette interessant lesning:
    http://www.dvdforum.com/images/Requi...n-July2005.pdf

    Siden Disney er en av dem som har lagt mest arbeid i utviklingen av Interaktive muligheter for HDM så må jeg nok skuffe BD fanboys med at BD nok også får like mange "features" når de en gang klarer å få til det samme.
    Det er til og med mulig at de kommer med flere "features"; det ihvertfall det de skryter av når de nevner BD's interaktive mulighetere. Men kanskje det er som med "beyond high definition" masse skryt, ikke gjennomførbart.

    Shrek III kommer til å prøve ut ting med HDi som ikke er gjort før, så da kan vi få se om det er noe brukbart. Kanskje barn liker noe av det?

    New 'Shrek' Specs Promise Several HD DVD Firsts | High-Def Digest
    Expanding upon the picture-in-picture video commentary feature found on other HD DVDs, the "Animator's Reel" will not only present an entire alternate version of the film in storyboard form, but it will further utilize the format's HDi technology to offer a "contextual seamless branch" to lost scenes and other content.

    'Shrek the Third' is also set to push the boundaries in terms of what's been offered as web-enabled content on previous HD DVD releases. DreamWorks says a number of additional exclusive features will be made available for download the day the disc hits stores, including a full-length subtitle trivia track, a movie guide with files on characters and talent in the film, plus an interactive coloring book feature that allows you to digitally paint your favorite scenes.

    As previously announced, the disc will also provide users the ability to customize their own menus based on famous 'Shrek' characters. Once customized, the user's menu will become the default menu for the disc, even after it has been ejected from the player.

    Additional features identical to the standard DVD edition of the film are set to include audio commentary, multiple making-of featurettes, deleted scenes sand more.
    Exclusive deals of HD DVD with Paramount and Dreamworks will definitely push their champion through a few rounds. Dreamworks has announced that the HD DVD of Shrek III will become available on November 13 (in the UK).

    Unique extras will include a PIP storyboard reel that branches to lost scenes and three web-enabled downloads, including Shrek’s Trivia Track, a World of Shrek movie guide, and Donkey’s Digital Coloring Book.

    Such advanced functionality is not yet possible on the Blu-ray platform, giving credence to Dreamworks' assertion that creative potential was a key consideration in the decision to back Blu-ray.
    Tech2.com India > HD DVD Might Knock Out Blu-ray > News on Optical Drives PCs & Laptops

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    Jeg hadde egentlig tenkt å bytte ut min XA1, med den nye Onkyo. Men denne kombispilleren fra Samsung koster kun $100 ekstra, og ser ut til å være like god, ihvertfall basert på spesifikasjoner (samme Reon brikken bl.a.) og greit med DTS-HD MA gjennom HDMI, som min nåværende Panasonic spiller ikke har. Så jeg gleder meg til denne (er utsatt i USA til Desember nå, og det nevnes at den vil kunne oppgraderes med firmware til 2.0 profilen senere).
    Hvis du mener Samsung BD-UP5000 spilleren (kombi BD/HD-DVD) så er det samme spiller som jeg kommer til å kjøpe så snart den slippes i USA. Passer meg helt perfekt å få en sone A BD spiller samt HD-DVD spiller på kjøpet. Bruker allerede PS3 som sone B spiller.

    Med dagens dollarkurser så får man kjøpt BD filmer via eBay til omkring 150 kr pr tittel (ny, ubrukt og inkl porto kostnader).

    BD-UP5000 spilleren har en angitt kostnad på 1100 USD og med en stadig synkende dollarkurs kan man regne med i underkant av 6000 kr før moms/toll.

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